So this morning after taking my dog to the vet, I made a last-minute decision to switch back to Agents because I just wasn't feeling comfortable enough with plants. A few days ago I watched dubkdad's Youtube video about playing what you're comfortable with and not always going by what you see in YCS results and stuff. What works for one person may not always be the case for another. So I rebuild Agents while watching Beavis and Butthead (hell ya for their return) and American Horror Story. I tell Zach that I'll be leaving soon since I have to go to his place and pick up his part of the money for the PHSW case and he wants me to sell off his collection. I get to his place and wait like 20 minutes for him to finally get back from the ATM but finally get the money and his stuff.
I get to Lightning and they're having a Halloween costume contest thing and there's also some local comic artists that are drawing random things for people. Superheroes, YuGiOh cards, etc. I trade with a few people and notice a lot of people are playing DW. I ask Colin what he's playing and he says "Darkworld" but I'm not sure whether to believe him or not but I adjust my side for the high number of DW I see anyway, and figure I'd include my anti-gadget and anti-GB stuff just in case. Jeff and his wife Melissa finally show so we test a little. We end up waiting till like 2:30 for the tourney to finally start due to the costume contest (normally starts at 1 or 1:30). Again there are a total of 8 people.
Round 1 vs Colin (Darkworld)
Game 1:
He wins the die roll and sets a monster and 2 s/t. I assume it's Morphing Jar so I Venus into Gachi and set my traps, attack and it's Broww. I'm like O_o he doesn't seem to know how to play the deck. He uses Dealings a bunch on Grapha and Snoww while I discard useless stuff like Veiler. I try to bait out a Grapha summon since I have Bottomless set but he DWLightnings it. I bring out Hyperion and pick away at his stuff. We both get down to like 3 cards while I have a Hyperion out. He brings out Grapha but runs into Honest, then I attack for the rest of his LPs.
Game 2:
I take 17 from a Snoww hit and that's it, I don't get to use any of my sided cards but I take it pretty easily (guessing he had a bad hand)
1-0
Round 2 vs Melissa (Naturia)
This is our first tourney match but we've played quite a few games casually, with her even beating me in a few. Bambooshoot can be scary if you don't draw a monster to deal with it.
Game 1:
She gets me down to 4100 but my monsters do a helluva lot more than hers, and she's still learning the game so it's kinda one-sided.
Game 2:
Pretty much the same story as last game, I don't really let her get anything going. In casuals I'm much nicer but in tourney I basically play every match as if I was in the final round of a regional/other large tourney.
2-0
Round 3 vs Jeff (Karakuri)
I think both of our games I bring out Trish and I'm lovin 2 mained Maxx C against his deck and bringing in the 3rd. I also end up tribute summoning out Kristya and he just can't deal with her. Game 2 I end up bringing out a 4000 Chimera and summon Earth to attack for game when he was at 46. I tell him about Jeff Jones' YCS Karakuri deck and told him I'd play it in a few weeks. Jeff (not Jones) thinks of himself as like a Karakuri guru, I'm gonna feel bad beating him with it, even though his is a very pure build right down to every single one of his monsters, and nearly all of his spell and traps. We talk a little about Cyber Dragon and how useful it is and he has like an internal dilemma about it not being a Karakuri, I was like "well no one's gonna think any less of you for running non-Karakuris or anything. If it helps your deck it's worth it." We'll see what he does.
3-0
This week we don't do a top 4 since we started later due to the costume contest. I'm the only undefeated, so I win for the 5th week in a row. It reminds me of Booker T (WCW/WWE) and I think to myself "I'm the 5-time, 5-time, 5-time, Lightning Comics Champion" (he used to say WCW Champion). I think I do a few little trades and I test a little with my Plants against Jeff, and yea, I just feel a lot more comfortable running Agents. I ask Big Mike about how the Sneak's gonna be next week and he said it'll be regular entry but also have the option of 5 packs+promo for $20. I'm still unsure if I will buy into that or not but I'll definitely play in the regular tourney.
Decklist:
Monsters: 28
3 Hyperion
3 Venus
3 Earth
3 Shine Ball
2 T-King
2 Maxx C
2 Veiler
3 Tour Guide
1 Sangan
1 BLS
1 Gorz
1 Kristya
1 Trag
1 Honest
1 Birdman
Spells: 6
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Heavy
1 Mind
2 MST
Traps: 7
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
1 M. Force
2 Bottomless
2 D-Prison
Extra:
Same as last weekend
Side:
2 Crow
2 Debunk
2 Gemini Imps
1 Shadow Mirror
1 MST
1 Maxx C
2 Pulling
2 Oaths
2 Cydra
I'm loving the 2 maindeck C's and I wasn't really missing Orange, in comparison to Veiler. I still like 1 Kristya and 1 Trag. Bottomless does fine for me and I liked my upped D-Prison count to 2. I'm not even sure if I want to run Warnings, lol. I think my main is pretty much perfectly catered to my local now, and I'm always adjusting my side to make it relevant as well. I'll play this next weekend for the sneak and then I'll probably try out Jeff Jones' Karakuri (minus the Fiendish Chains, just don't like that card), at a closer tourney like Uncle's after that. If I like Karakuri enough I'll end up selling my Plant stuff (namely Bulb, maybe Tengus).
Saturday, October 29, 2011
Thursday, October 27, 2011
Of Things to Come
So 1st ed Maxx C's have gone up again on Troll's buylist, now @ $30. They aren't buying 1st ed Tour Guides at all now. I was curious as to why this was, so I did a search on their inventory and they have 26 1st eds for sale for $190 and no Unlimited ones. I guess that pretty much explains it. $190 seems a bit high but I guess there are people that don't/aren't allowed to use eBay so I'm sure they have a market for it.
Last night I decided to hop on DGZ and check out Shriek's OCG site to try and get a feel of what we may expect to see in the post-PHSW meta. When I look for OCG lists on Shriek, I try to only look at the ones where it shows the attendance being like 100+, for obvious reasons. They sure like splashing the TG engine into whatever they can it seems like, lol. Nah, only into Agents and Gadgets. One interesting tech I saw in TG Agents was 2 copies of Elder of the Six Samurai and adding the obligatory Shi En with it, kinda like how Sabers did. I also see the tech Rush Rhino, something I tried when I first ran TG Agents but it was dismissed rather quickly by the forum folk. The unfortunate problem now with trying to look toward the OCG for meta predictions, is due to their lack of our big exclusives, namely Tour Guide and Tengu. I remember back in the day when what ever was hot in the OCG, would be hot for us like a few months later. If you kept up with the OCG, you had a better understanding of how the TCG was going to evolve. Now, it's just not as relevant due to the increasing gap in our card pools in general and our broken exclusives. I guess we get to see what good Extra deck cards we can anticipate and most likely plan to use though.
Obviously the first thing people think of when thinking about post-PHSW, is the impact of Rescue Rabbit, Laggia, and Dolkka. The deck doesn't seem to be doing all that much in OCG land, but they also don't have Tour Guide to abuse Rabbit, or Dolkka at all. I don't know if this alone will be what sets this deck apart for us. A lot of people said DW would be insane because of Tour Guide, but we didn't see much of that broken-ness out of Columbus (I highly doubt Dark Smog is going to be that "one card they need to be tier 0!" card). On paper Laggia and Dolkka are just insane. Normal monsters, however, are not. At least they have 1900 or 2000 atk (with 1700 if you run Kabazauls) depending on what kind of variant you run. If the deck does well, the problem that's going to happen is first and foremost the price. Imagine a deck with 3 Tour Guide, 2-3 Rabbit, 2 each(?) of the derkas, that alone may end up being $900-1000. On eBay Rescue Rabbit pre-orders are about 100, and Dolkka is anywhere from 60-100 (only looking at Buy-It-Nows). Oh boy I can already hear the whiners on the forums lol. But such is the cycle of YuGiOh, broken deck -> ban list -> new broken deck -> reprints of stuff in the old broken deck.
If the deck doesn't do well however, I would say our format will pretty much be what it is now until ORCS (no idea what's good in that set). I don't think anything relevant is coming out of HA05, but I may be wrong, I dunno. If Plants continue to take the next few Jumps, I could see a ban of Lonefire, Dandylion, or both in March. From a business standpoint, imagine how upset they are that no DW's topped the YCS. What reason do people have to buy the deck if it didn't even top 32? A Trag, Fader, and Bribe reprint? Doesn't seem like enough, but I dunno, maybe it is for some people. They will nerf Plants so that they can force players to buy into their newer archetypes. If I were Konami I would pay the top pros to play what I wanted them to or offer a very small commission. If they do well with it, then that gets people to buy that product.
I think Wind-Ups will largely be ignored until they get that one broken XYZ, boss monster, draw card, or something along those lines. People are scooping up Wind-Up Factories for that moment, and if it ever comes, they should be able to profit a lot from it. I'm really interested in playing Karakuri as a non-Tour Guide deck and just need 2 more Genex Neutrons for it. However, I dunno, it just seems very susceptible in game 2 and 3 with the opponent siding in Cyber Dragons. I guess you just have to play accordingly and not leave a bunch of your machines out there for your opponent to Chimera away.
So taking all this into consideration, what becomes the equalizer? I believe it to be Maxx C and also its counter, Debunk. Maxx C is going to hinder all the decks from trying to go off without the opponent taking into consideration the reprecussion of their actions. If they try to go for game, they have to consider "Will he draw into Gorz/Trag if I let him draw too many?". That is why I believe Debunk to see an increase as well, to counter their counter. We even saw a Plant player at Columbus maindeck a copy, maybe other players did too, I dunno. It's at least going to be a sidedeck staple. There are so many hand-trap monsters and things that activate in the grave that it's probably a safe bet going into a big tourney. Speaking locally, it ain't the best card since no one else owns Maxx C's, only a few have Veilers, and no one's even running Plants. Maybe they'll be running DW this weekend though, we will see.
As for this weekend, I'm still unsure what I will play. I know I said I'd play whatever did well at the YCS, but I've been drawing kinda funky with Plants. Losing to Shiggs doesn't instill any confidence in the deck (no offense Shiggs) for me as well. I guess I'll have to run some more hands and see, or playtest a little right before the tourney and make a snap decision. I'm probably just over-thinking it. I can't play DW since I don't have Raven or a 3rd Dragged Down, and I can't run Karakuri since I'm missing 2 Neutrons like I stated previously. Pretty much comes down to Agents or Plants, lol. Obviously I haven't had too much issue winning with Agents, but I'd really like to play something else. Venus into Gachi every game gets repetitive, lol.
Last night I decided to hop on DGZ and check out Shriek's OCG site to try and get a feel of what we may expect to see in the post-PHSW meta. When I look for OCG lists on Shriek, I try to only look at the ones where it shows the attendance being like 100+, for obvious reasons. They sure like splashing the TG engine into whatever they can it seems like, lol. Nah, only into Agents and Gadgets. One interesting tech I saw in TG Agents was 2 copies of Elder of the Six Samurai and adding the obligatory Shi En with it, kinda like how Sabers did. I also see the tech Rush Rhino, something I tried when I first ran TG Agents but it was dismissed rather quickly by the forum folk. The unfortunate problem now with trying to look toward the OCG for meta predictions, is due to their lack of our big exclusives, namely Tour Guide and Tengu. I remember back in the day when what ever was hot in the OCG, would be hot for us like a few months later. If you kept up with the OCG, you had a better understanding of how the TCG was going to evolve. Now, it's just not as relevant due to the increasing gap in our card pools in general and our broken exclusives. I guess we get to see what good Extra deck cards we can anticipate and most likely plan to use though.
Obviously the first thing people think of when thinking about post-PHSW, is the impact of Rescue Rabbit, Laggia, and Dolkka. The deck doesn't seem to be doing all that much in OCG land, but they also don't have Tour Guide to abuse Rabbit, or Dolkka at all. I don't know if this alone will be what sets this deck apart for us. A lot of people said DW would be insane because of Tour Guide, but we didn't see much of that broken-ness out of Columbus (I highly doubt Dark Smog is going to be that "one card they need to be tier 0!" card). On paper Laggia and Dolkka are just insane. Normal monsters, however, are not. At least they have 1900 or 2000 atk (with 1700 if you run Kabazauls) depending on what kind of variant you run. If the deck does well, the problem that's going to happen is first and foremost the price. Imagine a deck with 3 Tour Guide, 2-3 Rabbit, 2 each(?) of the derkas, that alone may end up being $900-1000. On eBay Rescue Rabbit pre-orders are about 100, and Dolkka is anywhere from 60-100 (only looking at Buy-It-Nows). Oh boy I can already hear the whiners on the forums lol. But such is the cycle of YuGiOh, broken deck -> ban list -> new broken deck -> reprints of stuff in the old broken deck.
If the deck doesn't do well however, I would say our format will pretty much be what it is now until ORCS (no idea what's good in that set). I don't think anything relevant is coming out of HA05, but I may be wrong, I dunno. If Plants continue to take the next few Jumps, I could see a ban of Lonefire, Dandylion, or both in March. From a business standpoint, imagine how upset they are that no DW's topped the YCS. What reason do people have to buy the deck if it didn't even top 32? A Trag, Fader, and Bribe reprint? Doesn't seem like enough, but I dunno, maybe it is for some people. They will nerf Plants so that they can force players to buy into their newer archetypes. If I were Konami I would pay the top pros to play what I wanted them to or offer a very small commission. If they do well with it, then that gets people to buy that product.
I think Wind-Ups will largely be ignored until they get that one broken XYZ, boss monster, draw card, or something along those lines. People are scooping up Wind-Up Factories for that moment, and if it ever comes, they should be able to profit a lot from it. I'm really interested in playing Karakuri as a non-Tour Guide deck and just need 2 more Genex Neutrons for it. However, I dunno, it just seems very susceptible in game 2 and 3 with the opponent siding in Cyber Dragons. I guess you just have to play accordingly and not leave a bunch of your machines out there for your opponent to Chimera away.
So taking all this into consideration, what becomes the equalizer? I believe it to be Maxx C and also its counter, Debunk. Maxx C is going to hinder all the decks from trying to go off without the opponent taking into consideration the reprecussion of their actions. If they try to go for game, they have to consider "Will he draw into Gorz/Trag if I let him draw too many?". That is why I believe Debunk to see an increase as well, to counter their counter. We even saw a Plant player at Columbus maindeck a copy, maybe other players did too, I dunno. It's at least going to be a sidedeck staple. There are so many hand-trap monsters and things that activate in the grave that it's probably a safe bet going into a big tourney. Speaking locally, it ain't the best card since no one else owns Maxx C's, only a few have Veilers, and no one's even running Plants. Maybe they'll be running DW this weekend though, we will see.
As for this weekend, I'm still unsure what I will play. I know I said I'd play whatever did well at the YCS, but I've been drawing kinda funky with Plants. Losing to Shiggs doesn't instill any confidence in the deck (no offense Shiggs) for me as well. I guess I'll have to run some more hands and see, or playtest a little right before the tourney and make a snap decision. I'm probably just over-thinking it. I can't play DW since I don't have Raven or a 3rd Dragged Down, and I can't run Karakuri since I'm missing 2 Neutrons like I stated previously. Pretty much comes down to Agents or Plants, lol. Obviously I haven't had too much issue winning with Agents, but I'd really like to play something else. Venus into Gachi every game gets repetitive, lol.
Wednesday, October 26, 2011
Ramblings for today (Maxx C & Tour Guide Update, Top 32 lists, eBay Rant, etc)
Seems like the folks at DGZ have finally gotten around to compiling the top 32 decklists as well, so I will be stepping away from the task of finding them and typing them out on here. At the moment they pretty much have all the same lists as me but they got people to post their own as well, since I'm sure not all of them are gonna be on Youtube. Eventually they'll show up on Pojo as well (if they haven't already), and the community's manpower > mine. Hopefully you enjoyed seeing them (in text) here before anywhere else though! I will be doing this for future YCS' as well. If you don't have a DGZ account for what ever reason, well you should go make one.
So as predicted in my last post, the buy price for Maxx C has gone up. On Troll&Toad they are offering $25 for both 1st and Unlimited editions. ARG has yet to update, but I know they don't update every single night like Troll does. For some reason though, Troll's buy price for 1st ed Tour Guides has dropped all the way to $90, while they still offer $135 for Unl. ARG's are still roughly the same ($137.75 1st, $120.25 Unl). My guess is that someone sold them a few, and from what I've noticed, every time someone sells them X card, their buy price for it goes down but then steadily climbs back up. For example I sold them 2 E-Hero Prismas one time for like $6.50, they accepted, and that very night they lowered it to like $5.85, but now they're back up to $6.50 (Gold) and $7 (DPCT). It's probably to avoid getting a flood of a particular card at the possible news of a reprint or something, so they can investigate and see why people may be selling X card to them. I dunno, all that is just a big giant guess, but it makes sense right? I know that if all of a sudden a bunch of people were trying to sell X card to me, I'd be curious as to why. Also on a big ticket item like Tour Guide, I'd want to make sure I sold the ones I had before I bought up too many more at a high price.
So my order of DW Structure box (split with Danny) and GENF SE box came in today, Danny and I were both like "eh, I don't even want these." I decided to open up 3 for myself and will try to trade/sell off the other. It's still a pretty decent product for its reprints and I'll probably swap out my sleeved up GK deck for DW just for the sake of having it built and sleeved. I pulled absolutely crappy in my GENF SE box; Smashing Horn for my Secret, and Leviathan & E-Hero Nova guy as my Ultras. Poopy. Only one more week for the Wave 2 tins though! I can't wait to have Warnings again and I've never owned a Fossil Dyna lol. To be honest I've been very content with Bottomless and D-Prison though, against these trigger-happy guys at my locals I can't really afford the life cost.
I tested a match with Shiggs with my Plants vs his GB, I lost 1-2 with no siding. I never liked the game 1 Plant-GB match-up. Shiggs plays at the downtown Uncle's on Saturdays so I asked him if he thought I should just come there. He said it basically sounds like the prize support is the same as Lightning, so there's no reason I should be driving all the way out there. Attendance for both places is about the same, pretty poopy. He said he'd like the competition with me being there :) My biggest thought is in regards to the Sneak; I want to go to the one where I feel there will be the most people since that means more people to plus off of in trades and more prize support via the tourney. My guess is that it'll be Lightning, so I want to build up my credit for that event, use it all up, and then play somewhere closer after that.
Between now and the release of PHSW, I'm not too sure what I will write about. Columbus has come and gone, DW didn't live up to its hype, and I don't think any more on the matter needs to be discussed since just about everyone and their mother has already talked about it (via forums, Youtube, and blogs). I think people will be shifting their hype toward Rabbit/Dinos, and again people will be asking themselves "Will it live up to the hype??"
So I sold my copy of Dead Space 2 on eBay literally 9 days ago (17th), and just last night the buyer opened an Item Not Received case. Now, that's just insane because that is a mere 8 days that they allowed for the item to get there. They stated that they tried to contact me via eBay and I didn't respond nor was I trying to help. Well guess what, I received no messages whatsoever from this person, and told eBay that they are free to look through my Inbox, Sent, and Deleted folders to verify this. I check the tracking and I sent it out on the 20th, and it arrived at its destination on the 22nd. Pretty speedy for First-Class all the way from WA to FL!
Here is what I wrote in my case response:
So as predicted in my last post, the buy price for Maxx C has gone up. On Troll&Toad they are offering $25 for both 1st and Unlimited editions. ARG has yet to update, but I know they don't update every single night like Troll does. For some reason though, Troll's buy price for 1st ed Tour Guides has dropped all the way to $90, while they still offer $135 for Unl. ARG's are still roughly the same ($137.75 1st, $120.25 Unl). My guess is that someone sold them a few, and from what I've noticed, every time someone sells them X card, their buy price for it goes down but then steadily climbs back up. For example I sold them 2 E-Hero Prismas one time for like $6.50, they accepted, and that very night they lowered it to like $5.85, but now they're back up to $6.50 (Gold) and $7 (DPCT). It's probably to avoid getting a flood of a particular card at the possible news of a reprint or something, so they can investigate and see why people may be selling X card to them. I dunno, all that is just a big giant guess, but it makes sense right? I know that if all of a sudden a bunch of people were trying to sell X card to me, I'd be curious as to why. Also on a big ticket item like Tour Guide, I'd want to make sure I sold the ones I had before I bought up too many more at a high price.
So my order of DW Structure box (split with Danny) and GENF SE box came in today, Danny and I were both like "eh, I don't even want these." I decided to open up 3 for myself and will try to trade/sell off the other. It's still a pretty decent product for its reprints and I'll probably swap out my sleeved up GK deck for DW just for the sake of having it built and sleeved. I pulled absolutely crappy in my GENF SE box; Smashing Horn for my Secret, and Leviathan & E-Hero Nova guy as my Ultras. Poopy. Only one more week for the Wave 2 tins though! I can't wait to have Warnings again and I've never owned a Fossil Dyna lol. To be honest I've been very content with Bottomless and D-Prison though, against these trigger-happy guys at my locals I can't really afford the life cost.
I tested a match with Shiggs with my Plants vs his GB, I lost 1-2 with no siding. I never liked the game 1 Plant-GB match-up. Shiggs plays at the downtown Uncle's on Saturdays so I asked him if he thought I should just come there. He said it basically sounds like the prize support is the same as Lightning, so there's no reason I should be driving all the way out there. Attendance for both places is about the same, pretty poopy. He said he'd like the competition with me being there :) My biggest thought is in regards to the Sneak; I want to go to the one where I feel there will be the most people since that means more people to plus off of in trades and more prize support via the tourney. My guess is that it'll be Lightning, so I want to build up my credit for that event, use it all up, and then play somewhere closer after that.
Between now and the release of PHSW, I'm not too sure what I will write about. Columbus has come and gone, DW didn't live up to its hype, and I don't think any more on the matter needs to be discussed since just about everyone and their mother has already talked about it (via forums, Youtube, and blogs). I think people will be shifting their hype toward Rabbit/Dinos, and again people will be asking themselves "Will it live up to the hype??"
So I sold my copy of Dead Space 2 on eBay literally 9 days ago (17th), and just last night the buyer opened an Item Not Received case. Now, that's just insane because that is a mere 8 days that they allowed for the item to get there. They stated that they tried to contact me via eBay and I didn't respond nor was I trying to help. Well guess what, I received no messages whatsoever from this person, and told eBay that they are free to look through my Inbox, Sent, and Deleted folders to verify this. I check the tracking and I sent it out on the 20th, and it arrived at its destination on the 22nd. Pretty speedy for First-Class all the way from WA to FL!
Here is what I wrote in my case response:
"I find the opening of this case laughable for 3 reasons:
1. The buyer stated that they tried to contact me via eBay. I have received no messages asking the whereabouts of the item. You are free to check my Inbox, Deleted messages, and Sent box to verify this.
2. The buyer paid for this item on the 17th and I sent this out on the 20th. With the case being opened yesterday, that is a mere 8 day wait for a case to be opened. 8 days. Say it to yourself and realize how ridiculous that sounds.
3. The item was sent with Delivery Confirmation and the tracking clearly says it showed up on the freakin' 22nd! 2 days after I sent the item. Imagine that!!
From USPS tracking site: Delivered, Oct-22-11, 09:26 AM, MIAMI, FL, 33166
"
Yea, I am just overall disgusted with the whole eBay process in general and how quickly one can open these cases. And all that does is hurt my account because he opened the damn thing. In eBay's eyes I would be a "bad" seller because this was opened against me. See why I have grown to hate it so much? The guy must either have balls of steel or is as dumb as a rock to try and open an INR case on an item that came with Delivery Confirmation and furthermore shows exactly when it arrived. My guess is that he's just beaten the game and wants to get his money back. It would've been smarter for him to file an Item Not as Described case and say the game didn't work when he tried to run it, send the game back to me, and get his money back. But, you know, that's what someone who isn't as dumb as a rock would do. Congrats dude, you're derp-tastic.
UPDATE: LOL, just a mere 10 minutes after replying back on my case, the buyer willingly closed the case on his own. Now watch, he'll leave me negative feedback cuz he wasn't able to fk me over.
UPDATE: LOL, just a mere 10 minutes after replying back on my case, the buyer willingly closed the case on his own. Now watch, he'll leave me negative feedback cuz he wasn't able to fk me over.
Monday, October 24, 2011
Market Analysis & Prediction - Maxx C
Just a reminder that I am compiling the top 32 lists for Columbus in the post below, as far as I know this is the only place (so far) that you'll find them together in text format. You can obviously Youtube search "YCS Columbus" and browse around yourself, but I myself like having the text version all in one convenient location, since it's gonna take the Konami site forever and a half to put them up :)
It seems that Maxx C has spiked in popularity at Columbus, with Plant decks incorporating 2 or 3 in the main deck. Maxx C is pretty much the legal version of Royal Oppression. Sure it doesn't stop the monster, but at least you're getting something out of it and potentially plus'ing so that you can swing the momentum back to you. I remember early in the format when this card was only like $8-10.
Looking on eBay, the average Completed listing is $30 with a few outliers. If you wanted to buy one now, the cheapest Buy-It-Now is $37. Currently both Troll&Toad and ARG are buying them at 22 for 1st ed, and 21 for Unl ed. I would expect this value to increase over the next few days. Undoubtedly people will be wanting them since Plants dominated Columbus, and with them being Secret they're hard to obtain. There are only 20 listings for the card on eBay at the moment. I predict that they'll be ~$45 by the time the Wave 2 tins come out next week. My reasoning is that people will be able to get their cheap Solemn Warnings then, and be closer to building the deck that topped, and thus Maxx C will be in more demand. As more people want to play Plants, this card's viability keeps going up, so demand goes up, etc etc. It's also very safe from getting reprinted since the set is still fairly new. I'm glad I picked up my third a few weeks ago!
It seems that Maxx C has spiked in popularity at Columbus, with Plant decks incorporating 2 or 3 in the main deck. Maxx C is pretty much the legal version of Royal Oppression. Sure it doesn't stop the monster, but at least you're getting something out of it and potentially plus'ing so that you can swing the momentum back to you. I remember early in the format when this card was only like $8-10.
Looking on eBay, the average Completed listing is $30 with a few outliers. If you wanted to buy one now, the cheapest Buy-It-Now is $37. Currently both Troll&Toad and ARG are buying them at 22 for 1st ed, and 21 for Unl ed. I would expect this value to increase over the next few days. Undoubtedly people will be wanting them since Plants dominated Columbus, and with them being Secret they're hard to obtain. There are only 20 listings for the card on eBay at the moment. I predict that they'll be ~$45 by the time the Wave 2 tins come out next week. My reasoning is that people will be able to get their cheap Solemn Warnings then, and be closer to building the deck that topped, and thus Maxx C will be in more demand. As more people want to play Plants, this card's viability keeps going up, so demand goes up, etc etc. It's also very safe from getting reprinted since the set is still fairly new. I'm glad I picked up my third a few weeks ago!
Sunday, October 23, 2011
YCS Columbus Top 32 Decklists
Putting them all here as I find them.
Total lists found: 11/32
1st - Billy Brake (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8oVSPbYy-8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
Monster: 23
3 Tour Guide
3 Tengu
3 Maxx C
2 Thunder King
2 Caius
1 Debris
1 Dandylion
1 Sangan
1 Spore
1 Veiler
1 Glow-Up
1 Reaper
1 Gorz
1 Lonefire
1 BLS
Spell: 13
2 E-Con
2 MST
1 One for One
1 Hole
1 Heavy
1 Foolish
1 Book
1 Avarice
1 Mind
1 Reborn
1 Goats
Trap: 5
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Torrential
1 Dustshoot
Side
1 Crow
1 T-King
1 Doomcal
2 Gemini Imps
2 D-Prison
2 Debunk
2 Shadow-Imprisoning
1 Dust
1 MST
2 Leeching
Extra
1 Formula
1 Armory
1 Catastor
1 Librarian
1 Brio
1 Orient
1 Black Rose
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Leviathan
1 Leviair
1 Utopia
1 Roach
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2nd - Alistar Albans (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBi7IqNubYc&feature=feedlik)
Monster: 23
3 Tour Guide
1 Lonefire
1 Dandy
1 Spore
1 Glow-Up
1 Debris
3 Tengu
2 Caius
2 T-King
2 Maxx C
2 Veiler
1 Reaper
1 BLS
1 Sangan
1 Gorz
Spell: 13
2 E-Con
1 Avarice
2 MST
1 Book
1 Heavy
1 Reborn
1 One-for-one
1 Goats
1 Foolish
1 Hole
1 Mind
Trap: 5
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Torrential
1 Dustshoot
Extra:
1 Leviair
1 Utopia
1 Leviathan
1 Librarian
1 Stardust
1 Trish
1 Scrap
1 Catastor
1 Orient
1 Black Rose
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Arcanite
1 Armory
1 Brio
1 Formula
Side:
2 Gemini Imps
1 Crow
1 Closed Forest
1 MST
3 Leeching
2 Shadow-Imprisoning
2 Debunk
2 D-Prison
1 T-King
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 4 - Thomas Vo (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yALqe9-ylFU)
Monster: 20
1 Gorz
1 Debris
1 Caius
1 BLS
1 Maxx C
2 Veiler
2 T-King
1 Lonefire
1 Dandy
1 Spore
1 Glow-Up
3 Tour Guide
1 Sangan
3 Tengu
Spell: 13
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Goats
1 Book
1 Avarice
1 Foolish
2 E-Con
1 One-for-one
1 Mind
2 MST
1 Heavy
Trap: 7
2 D-Prison
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
Extra:
1 Utopia
1 Leviathan
1 Leviair
1 Formula
1 Armory
1 Librarian
1 Catastor
1 Brio
1 Orient
1 Black Rose
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Chimera
Side:
2 Gemini Imps
2 Crow
2 Cydra
1 Kycoo
2 Leeching
1 MST
2 Bottomless
2 Debunk
1 Dust
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 16 - Jeff Jones (Karakuri)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdI-S5Pydxg&feature=player_embedded)
Monster: 22
3 Genex Neutron
3 Karakuri Merchant Inashichi
3 Cyber Dragon
3 Karakuri Ninja Kuick
3 Karakuri Komachi Ninishi
3 Maxx C
2 Karakuri Soldier Nisamu
1 Karakuri Watchdog Saizan
1 Karakuri Strategist Nishipachi
Spell: 10
3 MST
2 Duality
1 Avarice
1 Heavy
1 Reborn
1 Book
1 Hole
Trap: 8
3 Fiendish Chain
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Dustshoot
1 Force
Extra:
1 Leviathan
1 Utopia
1 Roach
1 Chimera
1 Catastor
1 Nat Beast
1 Landoise
1 Black Rose
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
2 Burei
2 Bureido
Side:
Not given
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 16 - Kevin Michael Ward II (TG Agents)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DffAV4x1COE&feature=feedu)
Monster: 25
3 Earth
3 Venus
3 Ball
3 Hyperion
1 Kristya
2 Orange
1 Honest
2 TG Striker
3 TG Warwolf
1 Sangan
1 Birdman
1 Junk Synchron
1 BLS
Spell: 12
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Heavy
2 Smashing
2 Creature Swap
2 Duality
3 MST
Trap: 3
1 Dustshoot
2 Call
Extra:
1 Chimera
2 Gachi
1 Leviair
1 Armory
1 Wonder Magician
1 Catastor
1 Librarian
1 Brio
1 Wyvern
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Black Rose
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
Side:
2 Crow
1 Kycoo
2 T-King
2 Cydra
2 Leeching
3 Decree
3 Debunk
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 16 - Robert Boyajian II (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neJtqhVStZ0&feature=feedu)
Monster: 23
3 Tengu
3 Tour Guide
3 Maxx C
1 Veiler
2 T-King
2 Caius
1 Lonefire
1 Dandy
1 Spore
1 Glow-Up
1 Debris
1 Sangan
1 Reaper
1 BLS
1 Gorz
Spell: 13
2 MST
2 E-Con
1 Goats
1 One-for-one
1 Reborn
1 Mind
1 Avarice
1 Heavy
1 Foolish
1 Book
1 Hole
Trap: 5
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
Side:
1 Crow
1 T-King
1 Doomcal
2 Gemini Imps
1 MST
2 Leeching
2 Debunk
2 D-Prison
2 Shadow-Imprisoning
1 Dust
Extra:
1 Formula
1 Armory
1 Librarian
1 Catastor
1 Orient
1 Brio
1 Black Rose
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Leviair
1 Leviathan
1 Roach
1 Utopia
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Robert DiMartino (GB)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mPT7JNsM_4)
Monster: 15
3 Test Tiger
2 Laquari
2 Darius
2 Prisma
2 Equeste
1 Retiari
1 Murmillo
1 Bestiari
1 Secutor
Spell: 10
3 A Hero Lives
2 Duality
1 Book
1 Reborn
1 Heavy
1 Hole
1 Smashing
Trap: 17
3 Chariot
2 Trap Stun
2 Warning
2 Bottomless
2 D-Prison
1 Force
1 Torrential
1 Judgment
1 Dustshoot
1 Starlight
1 Compulse
Extra:
1 Leviair
1 Utopia
1 Roach
1 Catastor
1 Brio
1 Black Rose
1 Stardust
2 Chimera
1 Essedarii
2 Herk
3 Gyzarus
Side
2 Consecrated Light
2 Kinetic Soldier
3 Cydra
1 Retiari
2 Debunk
2 Chain Disappearance
3 Crow
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Carl Waite (Machina)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/mkohl40#p/u/4/SPnLEhMELiE)
Monster: 17
2 Red
2 Yellow
2 Green
2 Veiler
1 Mole
3 Gearframe
3 Fortress
1 Force
1 Gorz
Spell: 13
1 Hole
1 Mind
1 Book
1 Avarice
1 Limiter
3 MST
2 Creature Swap
3 Duality
Trap: 10
2 D-Prison
1 Compulse
1 Bottomless
1 Torrential
1 Force
1 Dustshoot
1 Judgment
2 Warning
Extra:
2 Chimera
2 Utopia
1 Roach
1 Colossal
1 Brio
1 Catastor
1 Trish
1 Orient
1 Scrap
1 Thoughtruler
1 Black Rose
1 Android
1 Stardust
Side:
2 Cydra
2 Kinetic
2 T-King
2 Leeching
1 Heavy
2 D-Fissure
1 Starlight
1 Bottomless
2 Shadow Mirror
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Joseph Giorlando (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhEU1c4bnKc)
Monster: 21
3 Tengu
3 Tour Guide
2 T-King
2 Veiler
2 Maxx C
1 Sangan
1 BLS
1 Gorz
1 Lonefire
1 Dandy
1 Spore
1 Glow-Up
1 Debris
1 Caius
Spell: 13
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Heavy
1 Foolish
1 Mind
2 MST
2 E-Con
1 Book
1 Goats
1 Avarice
1 One-for-one
Trap: 7
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Debunk
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
1 D-Prison
Extra:
1 Black Rose
1 Catastor
1 Orient
1 Brio
1 Armory
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Formula
1 Librarian
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Roach
1 Leviathan
1 Leviair
1 Utopia
Side:
3 Gemini Imps
2 Crow
2 Cydra
2 Leeching
1 MST
2 Bottomless
1 Debunk
1 Mirror Force
1 Chimera
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Camden Keener (Agents)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE_xiN5cj_I)
Monster: 28
3 Shineball
3 Earth
3 Venus
2 Kristya
3 Hyperion
3 Tour Guide
1 Sangan
2 Trago
1 Gorz
1 Birdman
2 Veiler
2 Maxx C
1 BLS
1 Honest
Spell: 6
2 MST
1 Heavy
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Mind
Trap: 7
2 Bottomless
1 D-Prison
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
2 Warning
Extra:
Not given
Side:
1 MST
2 Decree
2 Shadow-Mirror
2 Debunk
1 Crow
3 T-King
2 Leeching
2 Vanity's Fiend
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Danny McNally (Agents)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jle2nnrsyS8)
Monster: 32
3 Hyperion
3 Venus
3 Tour Guide
3 Earth
3 Shineball
2 Kristya
2 T-King
2 Trago
2 Maxx C
2 Veiler
1 Sangan
1 BLS
1 Sorcerer
1 Honest
1 Jupiter
1 Birdman
1 Gorz
Spell: 7
3 MST
1 Hole
1 Heavy
1 Reborn
1 Mind
Trap: 2
1 Dustshoot
1 Debunk
Extra:
1 Utopia
1 Leviathan
1 Leviair
1 Gachi
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Gaia Knight
1 Stardust
1 Librarian
1 Black Rose
1 Brio
1 Catastor
1 Wyvern
1 Armory
1 Chimera
Side:
2 Cydra
1 Kycoo
2 Crow
2 Smashing
2 Decree
2 Bottomless
1 Torrential
1 Debunk
1 Dust
1 Transmigration
Total lists found: 11/32
1st - Billy Brake (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8oVSPbYy-8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
Monster: 23
3 Tour Guide
3 Tengu
3 Maxx C
2 Thunder King
2 Caius
1 Debris
1 Dandylion
1 Sangan
1 Spore
1 Veiler
1 Glow-Up
1 Reaper
1 Gorz
1 Lonefire
1 BLS
Spell: 13
2 E-Con
2 MST
1 One for One
1 Hole
1 Heavy
1 Foolish
1 Book
1 Avarice
1 Mind
1 Reborn
1 Goats
Trap: 5
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Torrential
1 Dustshoot
Side
1 Crow
1 T-King
1 Doomcal
2 Gemini Imps
2 D-Prison
2 Debunk
2 Shadow-Imprisoning
1 Dust
1 MST
2 Leeching
Extra
1 Formula
1 Armory
1 Catastor
1 Librarian
1 Brio
1 Orient
1 Black Rose
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Leviathan
1 Leviair
1 Utopia
1 Roach
---------------------------------------------------------
2nd - Alistar Albans (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBi7IqNubYc&feature=feedlik)
Monster: 23
3 Tour Guide
1 Lonefire
1 Dandy
1 Spore
1 Glow-Up
1 Debris
3 Tengu
2 Caius
2 T-King
2 Maxx C
2 Veiler
1 Reaper
1 BLS
1 Sangan
1 Gorz
Spell: 13
2 E-Con
1 Avarice
2 MST
1 Book
1 Heavy
1 Reborn
1 One-for-one
1 Goats
1 Foolish
1 Hole
1 Mind
Trap: 5
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Torrential
1 Dustshoot
Extra:
1 Leviair
1 Utopia
1 Leviathan
1 Librarian
1 Stardust
1 Trish
1 Scrap
1 Catastor
1 Orient
1 Black Rose
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Arcanite
1 Armory
1 Brio
1 Formula
Side:
2 Gemini Imps
1 Crow
1 Closed Forest
1 MST
3 Leeching
2 Shadow-Imprisoning
2 Debunk
2 D-Prison
1 T-King
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 4 - Thomas Vo (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yALqe9-ylFU)
Monster: 20
1 Gorz
1 Debris
1 Caius
1 BLS
1 Maxx C
2 Veiler
2 T-King
1 Lonefire
1 Dandy
1 Spore
1 Glow-Up
3 Tour Guide
1 Sangan
3 Tengu
Spell: 13
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Goats
1 Book
1 Avarice
1 Foolish
2 E-Con
1 One-for-one
1 Mind
2 MST
1 Heavy
Trap: 7
2 D-Prison
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
Extra:
1 Utopia
1 Leviathan
1 Leviair
1 Formula
1 Armory
1 Librarian
1 Catastor
1 Brio
1 Orient
1 Black Rose
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Chimera
Side:
2 Gemini Imps
2 Crow
2 Cydra
1 Kycoo
2 Leeching
1 MST
2 Bottomless
2 Debunk
1 Dust
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 16 - Jeff Jones (Karakuri)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdI-S5Pydxg&feature=player_embedded)
Monster: 22
3 Genex Neutron
3 Karakuri Merchant Inashichi
3 Cyber Dragon
3 Karakuri Ninja Kuick
3 Karakuri Komachi Ninishi
3 Maxx C
2 Karakuri Soldier Nisamu
1 Karakuri Watchdog Saizan
1 Karakuri Strategist Nishipachi
Spell: 10
3 MST
2 Duality
1 Avarice
1 Heavy
1 Reborn
1 Book
1 Hole
Trap: 8
3 Fiendish Chain
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Dustshoot
1 Force
Extra:
1 Leviathan
1 Utopia
1 Roach
1 Chimera
1 Catastor
1 Nat Beast
1 Landoise
1 Black Rose
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
2 Burei
2 Bureido
Side:
Not given
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 16 - Kevin Michael Ward II (TG Agents)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DffAV4x1COE&feature=feedu)
Monster: 25
3 Earth
3 Venus
3 Ball
3 Hyperion
1 Kristya
2 Orange
1 Honest
2 TG Striker
3 TG Warwolf
1 Sangan
1 Birdman
1 Junk Synchron
1 BLS
Spell: 12
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Heavy
2 Smashing
2 Creature Swap
2 Duality
3 MST
Trap: 3
1 Dustshoot
2 Call
Extra:
1 Chimera
2 Gachi
1 Leviair
1 Armory
1 Wonder Magician
1 Catastor
1 Librarian
1 Brio
1 Wyvern
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Black Rose
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
Side:
2 Crow
1 Kycoo
2 T-King
2 Cydra
2 Leeching
3 Decree
3 Debunk
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 16 - Robert Boyajian II (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neJtqhVStZ0&feature=feedu)
Monster: 23
3 Tengu
3 Tour Guide
3 Maxx C
1 Veiler
2 T-King
2 Caius
1 Lonefire
1 Dandy
1 Spore
1 Glow-Up
1 Debris
1 Sangan
1 Reaper
1 BLS
1 Gorz
Spell: 13
2 MST
2 E-Con
1 Goats
1 One-for-one
1 Reborn
1 Mind
1 Avarice
1 Heavy
1 Foolish
1 Book
1 Hole
Trap: 5
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
Side:
1 Crow
1 T-King
1 Doomcal
2 Gemini Imps
1 MST
2 Leeching
2 Debunk
2 D-Prison
2 Shadow-Imprisoning
1 Dust
Extra:
1 Formula
1 Armory
1 Librarian
1 Catastor
1 Orient
1 Brio
1 Black Rose
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Leviair
1 Leviathan
1 Roach
1 Utopia
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Robert DiMartino (GB)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mPT7JNsM_4)
Monster: 15
3 Test Tiger
2 Laquari
2 Darius
2 Prisma
2 Equeste
1 Retiari
1 Murmillo
1 Bestiari
1 Secutor
Spell: 10
3 A Hero Lives
2 Duality
1 Book
1 Reborn
1 Heavy
1 Hole
1 Smashing
Trap: 17
3 Chariot
2 Trap Stun
2 Warning
2 Bottomless
2 D-Prison
1 Force
1 Torrential
1 Judgment
1 Dustshoot
1 Starlight
1 Compulse
Extra:
1 Leviair
1 Utopia
1 Roach
1 Catastor
1 Brio
1 Black Rose
1 Stardust
2 Chimera
1 Essedarii
2 Herk
3 Gyzarus
Side
2 Consecrated Light
2 Kinetic Soldier
3 Cydra
1 Retiari
2 Debunk
2 Chain Disappearance
3 Crow
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Carl Waite (Machina)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/mkohl40#p/u/4/SPnLEhMELiE)
Monster: 17
2 Red
2 Yellow
2 Green
2 Veiler
1 Mole
3 Gearframe
3 Fortress
1 Force
1 Gorz
Spell: 13
1 Hole
1 Mind
1 Book
1 Avarice
1 Limiter
3 MST
2 Creature Swap
3 Duality
Trap: 10
2 D-Prison
1 Compulse
1 Bottomless
1 Torrential
1 Force
1 Dustshoot
1 Judgment
2 Warning
Extra:
2 Chimera
2 Utopia
1 Roach
1 Colossal
1 Brio
1 Catastor
1 Trish
1 Orient
1 Scrap
1 Thoughtruler
1 Black Rose
1 Android
1 Stardust
Side:
2 Cydra
2 Kinetic
2 T-King
2 Leeching
1 Heavy
2 D-Fissure
1 Starlight
1 Bottomless
2 Shadow Mirror
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Joseph Giorlando (Plant Synchro)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhEU1c4bnKc)
Monster: 21
3 Tengu
3 Tour Guide
2 T-King
2 Veiler
2 Maxx C
1 Sangan
1 BLS
1 Gorz
1 Lonefire
1 Dandy
1 Spore
1 Glow-Up
1 Debris
1 Caius
Spell: 13
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Heavy
1 Foolish
1 Mind
2 MST
2 E-Con
1 Book
1 Goats
1 Avarice
1 One-for-one
Trap: 7
2 Warning
1 Judgment
1 Debunk
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
1 D-Prison
Extra:
1 Black Rose
1 Catastor
1 Orient
1 Brio
1 Armory
1 Ancient Fairy
1 Formula
1 Librarian
1 Stardust
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Roach
1 Leviathan
1 Leviair
1 Utopia
Side:
3 Gemini Imps
2 Crow
2 Cydra
2 Leeching
1 MST
2 Bottomless
1 Debunk
1 Mirror Force
1 Chimera
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Camden Keener (Agents)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE_xiN5cj_I)
Monster: 28
3 Shineball
3 Earth
3 Venus
2 Kristya
3 Hyperion
3 Tour Guide
1 Sangan
2 Trago
1 Gorz
1 Birdman
2 Veiler
2 Maxx C
1 BLS
1 Honest
Spell: 6
2 MST
1 Heavy
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Mind
Trap: 7
2 Bottomless
1 D-Prison
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
2 Warning
Extra:
Not given
Side:
1 MST
2 Decree
2 Shadow-Mirror
2 Debunk
1 Crow
3 T-King
2 Leeching
2 Vanity's Fiend
---------------------------------------------------------
Top 32 - Danny McNally (Agents)
(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jle2nnrsyS8)
Monster: 32
3 Hyperion
3 Venus
3 Tour Guide
3 Earth
3 Shineball
2 Kristya
2 T-King
2 Trago
2 Maxx C
2 Veiler
1 Sangan
1 BLS
1 Sorcerer
1 Honest
1 Jupiter
1 Birdman
1 Gorz
Spell: 7
3 MST
1 Hole
1 Heavy
1 Reborn
1 Mind
Trap: 2
1 Dustshoot
1 Debunk
Extra:
1 Utopia
1 Leviathan
1 Leviair
1 Gachi
1 Scrap
1 Trish
1 Gaia Knight
1 Stardust
1 Librarian
1 Black Rose
1 Brio
1 Catastor
1 Wyvern
1 Armory
1 Chimera
Side:
2 Cydra
1 Kycoo
2 Crow
2 Smashing
2 Decree
2 Bottomless
1 Torrential
1 Debunk
1 Dust
1 Transmigration
YCS Columbus Recap
Boy, was I ever wrong in my predictions, lol. Ah well, a lot of other people predicted similarly so we're all equally wrong. Like I said, it's very hard to predict these kinds of things.
Once again Billy Brake wins with Plants, congrats to him. There were roughly 1100 players, which was more than I had expected. I'm glad it was a 4-digit attendance this time.
The top 32 ended up being:
20 Plant
3 Agent
2 Gallis (guessing Monster Mash?)
1 Karakuri
1 TG
1 Gemini
1 Gadget
1 Chaos
1 GB
1 TG Agent
Things I found surprising were the much lower number of Agent tops, Gallis/Monster Mash topping, and Jeff Jones' Karakuri. Seems like he's always willing to go with unconventional picks and it's great that he does well with them. I'm curious to see what his list, and the Monster Mashes, look like!
Like Mike Bonacini said in the past, Plants have essentially become a "good stuff" deck where you can basically take the best cards of the format, smush them together, and that's pretty much it. It's very similar to the old-school chaos decks where you took the best lights and darks, the most broken spells and traps and you were good to go. Now it's Tengu, Plant engine, some techs, and BLS. The nice thing with Plants is that they're very flexible in regards to their siding potential. Playing with Agents, I've found myself having a harder time siding because there are just so many cards that just have to be in there. Plants have the room to incorporate side cards into the main and not be affected in their flow. They're also a little harder to side against, compared to a theme deck like Agents, DW, Machine, etc.
As for Darkworld's underwhelming performance, I think it boils down to these issues (not necessarily in order of most critical to least):
1. Players had less time to test with it in real life (a million game 1's on DN can only go so far).
2. I'm guessing most players either had plenty of hate for it in their side, or altered their main to accommodate for it. Like I said, with all the hype surrounding it, players were gonna be prepared for this deck probably more than any other. This being said, most of the pros probably figured this wouldn't be the best deck to go in with.
3. Its dependency on having a discard outlet/consistency. If it can't get the cards it needs to get going, it's not gonna do anything. It basically always needs to have some 2-card combo to do stuff. Compare this with a deck like Agents or Plants that have consistent, good, stand-alone plays.
Is this to say that DW is a bad deck? I wouldn't go as far to say that, when it gets rolling it can do some pretty devastating things and create a lot of advantage. A part of me feels that the best list simply hasn't been found yet, I think it needs to incorporate some more in-general/tech cards so its not so dependent on its own strategy of discard+do some stuff. Until that happens though, I can't be bothered picking up Fabled Ravens especially since I'm gonna be ordering our PHSW cases really soon. Earlier I said I was gonna pick up 2, but they're $50 a pop and just didn't want to gamble it. Hopefully this YCS will cause a decrease in their value. I'd probably be willing to pick them up at $30 each. It kinda sucks that none top 32'd though since we won't have a list to concretely base anything off of. Did the best-finishing DW deck run 0, 1, 2 Ravens? I will stick with what I said in my Market Analysis on Glow-Up. With this YCS, I could see anywhere from a $5-8 value increase, but just remember that 1-year release mark of STBL is coming up. Formula Synchron gets a reprint in Advent Calendar, I could see Bulb getting reprinted sooner rather than later.
I will probably try out Plants next weekend, even though I've been doing just fine with Agents and I really do like the deck. I'm guessing we will be getting decklists over Youtube over the next few days, I will post them on the blog as I find them. Once again, congrats to Billy Brake on his back-to-back YCS win!
Once again Billy Brake wins with Plants, congrats to him. There were roughly 1100 players, which was more than I had expected. I'm glad it was a 4-digit attendance this time.
The top 32 ended up being:
20 Plant
3 Agent
2 Gallis (guessing Monster Mash?)
1 Karakuri
1 TG
1 Gemini
1 Gadget
1 Chaos
1 GB
1 TG Agent
Things I found surprising were the much lower number of Agent tops, Gallis/Monster Mash topping, and Jeff Jones' Karakuri. Seems like he's always willing to go with unconventional picks and it's great that he does well with them. I'm curious to see what his list, and the Monster Mashes, look like!
Like Mike Bonacini said in the past, Plants have essentially become a "good stuff" deck where you can basically take the best cards of the format, smush them together, and that's pretty much it. It's very similar to the old-school chaos decks where you took the best lights and darks, the most broken spells and traps and you were good to go. Now it's Tengu, Plant engine, some techs, and BLS. The nice thing with Plants is that they're very flexible in regards to their siding potential. Playing with Agents, I've found myself having a harder time siding because there are just so many cards that just have to be in there. Plants have the room to incorporate side cards into the main and not be affected in their flow. They're also a little harder to side against, compared to a theme deck like Agents, DW, Machine, etc.
As for Darkworld's underwhelming performance, I think it boils down to these issues (not necessarily in order of most critical to least):
1. Players had less time to test with it in real life (a million game 1's on DN can only go so far).
2. I'm guessing most players either had plenty of hate for it in their side, or altered their main to accommodate for it. Like I said, with all the hype surrounding it, players were gonna be prepared for this deck probably more than any other. This being said, most of the pros probably figured this wouldn't be the best deck to go in with.
3. Its dependency on having a discard outlet/consistency. If it can't get the cards it needs to get going, it's not gonna do anything. It basically always needs to have some 2-card combo to do stuff. Compare this with a deck like Agents or Plants that have consistent, good, stand-alone plays.
Is this to say that DW is a bad deck? I wouldn't go as far to say that, when it gets rolling it can do some pretty devastating things and create a lot of advantage. A part of me feels that the best list simply hasn't been found yet, I think it needs to incorporate some more in-general/tech cards so its not so dependent on its own strategy of discard+do some stuff. Until that happens though, I can't be bothered picking up Fabled Ravens especially since I'm gonna be ordering our PHSW cases really soon. Earlier I said I was gonna pick up 2, but they're $50 a pop and just didn't want to gamble it. Hopefully this YCS will cause a decrease in their value. I'd probably be willing to pick them up at $30 each. It kinda sucks that none top 32'd though since we won't have a list to concretely base anything off of. Did the best-finishing DW deck run 0, 1, 2 Ravens? I will stick with what I said in my Market Analysis on Glow-Up. With this YCS, I could see anywhere from a $5-8 value increase, but just remember that 1-year release mark of STBL is coming up. Formula Synchron gets a reprint in Advent Calendar, I could see Bulb getting reprinted sooner rather than later.
I will probably try out Plants next weekend, even though I've been doing just fine with Agents and I really do like the deck. I'm guessing we will be getting decklists over Youtube over the next few days, I will post them on the blog as I find them. Once again, congrats to Billy Brake on his back-to-back YCS win!
Saturday, October 22, 2011
Locals Report 10-22-11; Lightning Comics
Last night I went to the post office to see if my T'Kings had shown up, and they were finally there! Common T'Kings look weird, lol. I don't remember doing much in the morning besides showering, making breakfast (scrambled eggs w/ chicken, garlic, and cheese - yum), and checking out the start of the Columbus coverage. It's raining like beyond crazy, I'm like "great, gotta deal with all the idiot drivers." I drop my dog off at daycare and drive up to Lightning in the pouring rain. I thought maybe there would be fewer people today since it was raining.
I show up and it's pretty much the same crowd except some randoms were buying up Darkworld decks and this one guy I hadn't seen in a few months came back to play. I look around to try and see what people are playing so I can pick the most relevant 15 for my side. Kim didn't end up showing up, and the one guy that ran Agents last week didn't show up, so I'm totally glad I brought my extra side deck stuff. I woulda had about 6 useless spots otherwise. Jeff said he tweaked his Karakuri deck from last week so we test a few games, I pretty much trounce him so he changes it back to how it was last week. I can tell Colin was playing GB this week so my Mirror of Oaths finally, potentially, had the opportunity to be used. Donut shows up for a quick second and gives me $40 (doing a payment plan on a Pokemon deck I sold him) and a hug and then turns around and leaves. Total attendance this week was 8, three out of the past four weeks have been like this :/
Round 1 vs Older guy who has a bangable-looking daughter, w/ Macro
I've seen this guy ever since I first came to Lightning but never played against him. He's never done particularly well so I wasn't too worried.
Game 1 - I remember him having a pretty good field with Survivor, Tengu, Scout Plane, and my Gachi that he Creature Swap'd. His Macro was also hindering a lot of my cards that require to be sent to the grave (Honest, Orange, Maxx C) and I couldn't get anything in the grave for BLS or Hyperion. Tour Guide puts in work though and eventually I draw backrow removal, get some monsters in my grave, and Hyperion puts in work.
Game 2 - For some reason he summons Caius, I have an Earth and a set backrow and he targets my backrow - Bottomless, and it's pretty much downhill from there for him. After the game I asked him why he didn't just target Earth but he was just like "oh I wasn't thinking straight."
1-0
Round 2 vs Colin w/ Infected Mail GB
Game 1 - He starts w/ a set Hoplo and a s/t, so I MST, summon Earth, Mind Control, and synch for Brio. I really don't remember much beyond that but the only damage I take is 1000 from Venus.
Game 2 - He tries to do some cute tricks but it just results in him having his Bestiari Bottomless'd. He gets some swings in with Infected Mail but I Oaths the Murmillo he brings out to kill my Leviathan, then Earth + Gachi finishes him off.
2-0
In between rounds I watch Jeff play against the Sabers guy, while Big Mike is showing off with this Darkworld deck he made, basically 3 of the structures + Morphing Jar, Raven, and Threatening Roar. He's trouncing people left and right but he's running Goldd, Sillva, Celery, and a bunch of other unncessary stuff. Saber guy ends up beating Jeff, their match was pretty terrible though with a lot of misplays.
Round 3 vs Chris (Returning guy w/ Sabers)
Game 1 - Really don't remember specifics but all I take is 1000 from Venus. He forgot a Darksoul search but it wouldn't have mattered.
Game 2 - I open pretty terrible and he opens well and does sacky Saber stuff.
Game 3 - He Veilers my Venus and then my next turn I get out Catastor. His field becomes Faultroll, Nat Beast, Catastor, and Boggart, suicides the Catastors, attacks with Boggart, then Faultroll rather than Nat Beast first, so I Gorz out. I bring out Hyperion and BLS and he scoops the turn after.
3-0
So I'm the only undefeated and assume it's over, but no, Mike says we'll do a top 4. I'm like are you for real -_- Top 4 ends up being me, Jeff, Chris, and Eric (Older guy w/ dec daughter)
Round 4 vs Eric w/ Macro
Game 1 - This ends up being a pretty good match but my cards gain advantage while his don't. He brought me down to 2500.
Game 2 - I open 2 Master Hyperion, 2 Shine Ball, and a Gold Sarc. I'm like well at least I'll have an excuse if I lose. I think I draw Bottomless and I Gold Sarc for Heavy. Next turn I draw Earth and get the ball rolling. Hyperion is just too good.
4-0
Round 5 vs Jeff w/ Karakuri
Like he said earlier in the day, it would be us in the finals.
Game 1 - I don't get a damn thing going at all and he pokes at me with Karakuris.
Game 2 - I open Triple Tour Guide, Hyperion, Torrential, and Trag. I go Tour Guide into Sangan set Torrential. He passes, I pass, he does some shit and I Torrential and search for Maxx C. He tries to go for game so I Maxx C, I get to draw like 3 and he has a Burei and the 2200 1-tribute guy, he's like "screw it" and activates Limiter, but I Trag out after taking the Burei hit to avoid lethal. He loses his dudes and only has 1 in hand so I reclaim control and take it.
Game 3 - I open Tour Guide + Gold Sarc + Birdman so I combo for Leviair and Trish and he doesn't get anything going after that.
5-0
So undefeated and win again for the 4th week in a row. Come on Coeur d'Alene/Team Destiny players, I'm waiting for someone to end my streak. You're gonna let someone from Spokane come to your turf and beat you every week? Come out of the woodwork, put your Magic cards down, and let's play some Yugz. It's alright though cuz I'm comin' at you with Magic cards soon enough. Eh I know I said I'd stop going to Lightning but I'll play there until the Sneak where I'll cash out my store credit again. And THEN I'll be done driving all the way out there, until I hear attendance goes back up to how it was when I first showed up. I really hate not having any Team O members there, but I can't be expected to drive there every weekend from Spokane when we have 2 members that live in the freakin' town.
Big Mike asks me if I wanted to play him and I actually wanted to see how the Agent vs DW match-up would play out so I said sure I have time for a game.
Game 1 - He does a lot of Dragged Downs, Dealings, and Card Destruction stuff and ends up like +4 on me. I pick away at his board with MST and Hyperion though then bring out Kristya and he has no outs to her.
Game 2 - He opens mediocre and I maintain advantage, BLS and Earth finish it off.
Win 2-0
There isn't really anyone to trade with so I just pack up, say my good-byes, get my credit, and leave.
I come back and do some homework and eat. My wife's friend and I go out to see Paranormal Activity 3. My wife and my wife's friend's husband don't like scary movies but we both wanted to see it so we went together. Holy crap that was a freaky movie. I was a fan of the first two and I'd say this one was the best in terms of creepiness. If they can keep making them better like this I wouldn't mind if they kept coming out once a year. The Saw franchise got stale around the 3rd or 4th one but I'm pretty sure this will be #1 at the box office this weekend and it's getting good reviews. Little girls, and old ladies, are just. plain. creepy. I don't wanna spoil anything, but the end kinda confused me in terms of the people that were killed.
Being gone all day, I haven't been able to keep up with what's been happening in Columbus. The coverage seems pretty meh as usual. And what the hell is with this whole 'Grapha speaking in the third person' crap. Just sounds like Jason trying to push product. God, why can't they make this shit professional looking and sounding like Magic's coverage? And pictures? I've tried opening the pages on both Windows and Linux with Mozilla, IE, and Konqueror but nothing shows up. Pictures rarely ever show up until like hours after the tournament or sometimes days. I can't tell what the hell made it into Day 2 so I'll have to check the forums next. I'm guessing "Synchro Summon" is supposed to be Tengu Synchro? Wtf. It's kinda sad that the forums and Youtube are more beneficial in terms of coverage and finding decklists than the actual coverage site. Magic gets their decklists up pretty much right at the end of the event. It's obviously certainly possible since the European coverage is like that. I think it took 3 weeks for the US coverage to put decklists up for Toronto. I could be blind-folded with one arm tied behind my back and have the lists up quicker than that. Hell anyone that had at least 1 finger or 1 toe could.
Almost forgot the decklist!
3 Hyperion
3 Venus
3 Earth
3 Ball
1 Kristya
1 BLS
1 Gorz
1 Trag
3 Tour Guide
1 Sangan
2 Thunder King
1 Orange
1 Veiler
1 Maxx C
1 Honest
1 Birdman
2 Gold Sarc
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Heavy
1 Mind
2 MST
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
1 Force
2 Bottomless
1 D-Prison
Same extra as last weekend
Side ended up being
2 Cydra
1 Chimera
2 Oaths
2 Pulling
1 MST
1 Maxx C
1 Debunk
2 Breaker
2 Crow
1 D-Prison
I decided to main 1 Maxx since last week I sided in 2 every game. They weren't helpful in my match against Macro but I liked it against everything else I played. I also dropped it to 1 Kristya because she was dead in my hand much more often than she was live on the field. I personally thought it was OK at 1. I can see why a lot of the OCG builds haven't been running her. She's still one of the best monsters in the game, sure, but she's either a double-trib or gotta get the 4 in the grave, which is harder just cuz Hyperion is so good and you're banishing stuff. Trag is still putting in work for me and keeping me alive against these players that like to go all-in. Next weekend I'll be playing what ever does well at Columbus.
I show up and it's pretty much the same crowd except some randoms were buying up Darkworld decks and this one guy I hadn't seen in a few months came back to play. I look around to try and see what people are playing so I can pick the most relevant 15 for my side. Kim didn't end up showing up, and the one guy that ran Agents last week didn't show up, so I'm totally glad I brought my extra side deck stuff. I woulda had about 6 useless spots otherwise. Jeff said he tweaked his Karakuri deck from last week so we test a few games, I pretty much trounce him so he changes it back to how it was last week. I can tell Colin was playing GB this week so my Mirror of Oaths finally, potentially, had the opportunity to be used. Donut shows up for a quick second and gives me $40 (doing a payment plan on a Pokemon deck I sold him) and a hug and then turns around and leaves. Total attendance this week was 8, three out of the past four weeks have been like this :/
Round 1 vs Older guy who has a bangable-looking daughter, w/ Macro
I've seen this guy ever since I first came to Lightning but never played against him. He's never done particularly well so I wasn't too worried.
Game 1 - I remember him having a pretty good field with Survivor, Tengu, Scout Plane, and my Gachi that he Creature Swap'd. His Macro was also hindering a lot of my cards that require to be sent to the grave (Honest, Orange, Maxx C) and I couldn't get anything in the grave for BLS or Hyperion. Tour Guide puts in work though and eventually I draw backrow removal, get some monsters in my grave, and Hyperion puts in work.
Game 2 - For some reason he summons Caius, I have an Earth and a set backrow and he targets my backrow - Bottomless, and it's pretty much downhill from there for him. After the game I asked him why he didn't just target Earth but he was just like "oh I wasn't thinking straight."
1-0
Round 2 vs Colin w/ Infected Mail GB
Game 1 - He starts w/ a set Hoplo and a s/t, so I MST, summon Earth, Mind Control, and synch for Brio. I really don't remember much beyond that but the only damage I take is 1000 from Venus.
Game 2 - He tries to do some cute tricks but it just results in him having his Bestiari Bottomless'd. He gets some swings in with Infected Mail but I Oaths the Murmillo he brings out to kill my Leviathan, then Earth + Gachi finishes him off.
2-0
In between rounds I watch Jeff play against the Sabers guy, while Big Mike is showing off with this Darkworld deck he made, basically 3 of the structures + Morphing Jar, Raven, and Threatening Roar. He's trouncing people left and right but he's running Goldd, Sillva, Celery, and a bunch of other unncessary stuff. Saber guy ends up beating Jeff, their match was pretty terrible though with a lot of misplays.
Round 3 vs Chris (Returning guy w/ Sabers)
Game 1 - Really don't remember specifics but all I take is 1000 from Venus. He forgot a Darksoul search but it wouldn't have mattered.
Game 2 - I open pretty terrible and he opens well and does sacky Saber stuff.
Game 3 - He Veilers my Venus and then my next turn I get out Catastor. His field becomes Faultroll, Nat Beast, Catastor, and Boggart, suicides the Catastors, attacks with Boggart, then Faultroll rather than Nat Beast first, so I Gorz out. I bring out Hyperion and BLS and he scoops the turn after.
3-0
So I'm the only undefeated and assume it's over, but no, Mike says we'll do a top 4. I'm like are you for real -_- Top 4 ends up being me, Jeff, Chris, and Eric (Older guy w/ dec daughter)
Round 4 vs Eric w/ Macro
Game 1 - This ends up being a pretty good match but my cards gain advantage while his don't. He brought me down to 2500.
Game 2 - I open 2 Master Hyperion, 2 Shine Ball, and a Gold Sarc. I'm like well at least I'll have an excuse if I lose. I think I draw Bottomless and I Gold Sarc for Heavy. Next turn I draw Earth and get the ball rolling. Hyperion is just too good.
4-0
Round 5 vs Jeff w/ Karakuri
Like he said earlier in the day, it would be us in the finals.
Game 1 - I don't get a damn thing going at all and he pokes at me with Karakuris.
Game 2 - I open Triple Tour Guide, Hyperion, Torrential, and Trag. I go Tour Guide into Sangan set Torrential. He passes, I pass, he does some shit and I Torrential and search for Maxx C. He tries to go for game so I Maxx C, I get to draw like 3 and he has a Burei and the 2200 1-tribute guy, he's like "screw it" and activates Limiter, but I Trag out after taking the Burei hit to avoid lethal. He loses his dudes and only has 1 in hand so I reclaim control and take it.
Game 3 - I open Tour Guide + Gold Sarc + Birdman so I combo for Leviair and Trish and he doesn't get anything going after that.
5-0
So undefeated and win again for the 4th week in a row. Come on Coeur d'Alene/Team Destiny players, I'm waiting for someone to end my streak. You're gonna let someone from Spokane come to your turf and beat you every week? Come out of the woodwork, put your Magic cards down, and let's play some Yugz. It's alright though cuz I'm comin' at you with Magic cards soon enough. Eh I know I said I'd stop going to Lightning but I'll play there until the Sneak where I'll cash out my store credit again. And THEN I'll be done driving all the way out there, until I hear attendance goes back up to how it was when I first showed up. I really hate not having any Team O members there, but I can't be expected to drive there every weekend from Spokane when we have 2 members that live in the freakin' town.
Big Mike asks me if I wanted to play him and I actually wanted to see how the Agent vs DW match-up would play out so I said sure I have time for a game.
Game 1 - He does a lot of Dragged Downs, Dealings, and Card Destruction stuff and ends up like +4 on me. I pick away at his board with MST and Hyperion though then bring out Kristya and he has no outs to her.
Game 2 - He opens mediocre and I maintain advantage, BLS and Earth finish it off.
Win 2-0
There isn't really anyone to trade with so I just pack up, say my good-byes, get my credit, and leave.
I come back and do some homework and eat. My wife's friend and I go out to see Paranormal Activity 3. My wife and my wife's friend's husband don't like scary movies but we both wanted to see it so we went together. Holy crap that was a freaky movie. I was a fan of the first two and I'd say this one was the best in terms of creepiness. If they can keep making them better like this I wouldn't mind if they kept coming out once a year. The Saw franchise got stale around the 3rd or 4th one but I'm pretty sure this will be #1 at the box office this weekend and it's getting good reviews. Little girls, and old ladies, are just. plain. creepy. I don't wanna spoil anything, but the end kinda confused me in terms of the people that were killed.
Being gone all day, I haven't been able to keep up with what's been happening in Columbus. The coverage seems pretty meh as usual. And what the hell is with this whole 'Grapha speaking in the third person' crap. Just sounds like Jason trying to push product. God, why can't they make this shit professional looking and sounding like Magic's coverage? And pictures? I've tried opening the pages on both Windows and Linux with Mozilla, IE, and Konqueror but nothing shows up. Pictures rarely ever show up until like hours after the tournament or sometimes days. I can't tell what the hell made it into Day 2 so I'll have to check the forums next. I'm guessing "Synchro Summon" is supposed to be Tengu Synchro? Wtf. It's kinda sad that the forums and Youtube are more beneficial in terms of coverage and finding decklists than the actual coverage site. Magic gets their decklists up pretty much right at the end of the event. It's obviously certainly possible since the European coverage is like that. I think it took 3 weeks for the US coverage to put decklists up for Toronto. I could be blind-folded with one arm tied behind my back and have the lists up quicker than that. Hell anyone that had at least 1 finger or 1 toe could.
Almost forgot the decklist!
3 Hyperion
3 Venus
3 Earth
3 Ball
1 Kristya
1 BLS
1 Gorz
1 Trag
3 Tour Guide
1 Sangan
2 Thunder King
1 Orange
1 Veiler
1 Maxx C
1 Honest
1 Birdman
2 Gold Sarc
1 Hole
1 Reborn
1 Heavy
1 Mind
2 MST
1 Dustshoot
1 Torrential
1 Force
2 Bottomless
1 D-Prison
Same extra as last weekend
Side ended up being
2 Cydra
1 Chimera
2 Oaths
2 Pulling
1 MST
1 Maxx C
1 Debunk
2 Breaker
2 Crow
1 D-Prison
I decided to main 1 Maxx since last week I sided in 2 every game. They weren't helpful in my match against Macro but I liked it against everything else I played. I also dropped it to 1 Kristya because she was dead in my hand much more often than she was live on the field. I personally thought it was OK at 1. I can see why a lot of the OCG builds haven't been running her. She's still one of the best monsters in the game, sure, but she's either a double-trib or gotta get the 4 in the grave, which is harder just cuz Hyperion is so good and you're banishing stuff. Trag is still putting in work for me and keeping me alive against these players that like to go all-in. Next weekend I'll be playing what ever does well at Columbus.
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